Legislature(1997 - 1998)

03/24/1997 01:44 PM House FIN

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                      HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                  
                          March 24, 1997                                       
                             1:44 P.M.                                         
                                                                               
 TAPE HFC 97-73, Side 1, #000 - end.                                           
 TAPE HFC 97-73, Side 2, #000 - end.                                           
 TAPE HFC 97-74, Side 1, #000 - #301.                                          
                                                                               
 CALL TO ORDER                                                                 
                                                                               
 Co-Chair Hanley called the House Finance Committee meeting to order           
 at 1:44 p.m.                                                                  
                                                                               
 PRESENT                                                                       
                                                                               
 Co-Chair Hanley               Representative Kelly                            
 Co-Chair Therriault           Representative Kohring                          
 Representative Davies         Representative Martin                           
 Representative Davis          Representative Moses                            
 Representative Foster                                                         
 Representative Grussendorf                                                    
                                                                               
 Representative Mulder was absent from the meeting.                            
                                                                               
 ALSO PRESENT                                                                  
                                                                               
 Wilson Condon, Commissioner, Department of Revenue; Arbe Williams,            
 Director, Division of Administrative Services, Department of Labor;           
 Larry La Bolle, Staff, Representative Foster; Carol Caroll, Special           
 Assistant, Department of Military and Veterans Affairs.                       
                                                                               
 SUMMARY                                                                       
                                                                               
 HB 75     "An Act making appropriations for the operating and loan            
           program expenses of state government, for certain                   
           programs, and to capitalize funds; and providing for an             
           effective date."                                                    
                                                                               
           HB 75 was HELD in Committee for further consideration.              
                                                                               
 HB 76     "An Act making appropriations for the operating expenses            
           of the state's integrated comprehensive mental health               
           program; and providing for an effective date."                      
                                                                               
           HB 76 was HELD in Committee for further consideration.              
                                                                               
 HOUSE BILL NO. 75                                                             
                                                                               
      "An Act making appropriations for the operating and loan                 
      program expenses of state government, for certain programs,              
      and to capitalize funds; and providing for an effective date."           
                                                                               
 AMENDMENTS                                                                    
                                                                               
      DEPARTMENT OF LABOR                                                      
      DEPARTMENT OF MILITARY AND VETERANS AFFAIRS                              
      ALASKA COURT SYSTEM                                                      
      DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE                                                    
                                                                               
 DEPARTMENT OF LABOR                                                           
                                                                               
 Representative Grussendorf MOVED to adopt Amendment Labor-1 (copy             
 on file).   Therriault OBJECTED.                                              
                                                                               
 Representative Grussendorf explained that Amendment Labor-1 would             
 add $47.8 thousand dollars to the Department of Labor, Workers'               
 Compensation.  He emphasized that reductions in this component                
 would result in delays.  He stressed that the state could be liable           
 for delays.                                                                   
                                                                               
 Co-Chair Therriault questioned if the request would add money to              
 the grants line.                                                              
                                                                               
 Representative Grussendorf clarified that the amendment would                 
 transfer from the grant line approximately $27.0 to personal                  
 services and $20 thousand dollars to contractual.                             
                                                                               
 Co-Chair Therriault summarized that the requested increment for FY            
 98 was denied.  The subcommittee reduced the grant line.  The                 
 Department recommended that the grant line be reduced and the                 
 funding shifted to allow the increment.                                       
                                                                               
 Representative Davies expressed concern with the ability of the               
 Department to respond to workers' needs in a timely manner.  He               
 noted that there has been an increase in demand over time.                    
                                                                               
 Representative Grussendorf clarified that the intent of the                   
 amendment is to address a backlog in cases.                                   
                                                                               
 ARBE WILLIAMS, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF            
 LABOR noted that the grants line was established in 1988 to                   
 grandfather in certain persons for workers' compensation benefits.            
 Grant funding becomes available for use in the Workers'                       
 Compensation component as these recipients die.  She emphasized               
 that grant funding has been transferred to personal services in               
 order to maintain operations.  She observed that two full-time                
 clerical positions or one professional position would return to               
 part-time if the funding is not approved.  She stated that the                
 Department had intended to use some of the money to investigate               
 workers' compensation fraud.                                                  
                                                                               
 Co-Chair Hanley summarized that the grant money was transferred in            
 FY 97.  Ms. Williams explained that the funding is needed to                  
 support the current staffing level.                                           
                                                                               
 Representative Davies noted that the state has lost lawsuits                  
 because it did not meet its statutory requirement for processing              
 orders.                                                                       
                                                                               
 A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION to adopt Labor-1.                    
                                                                               
 IN FAVOR: Davies Grussendorf, Moses                                           
 OPPOSED:  Davis, Foster, Kelly, Kohring, Martin, Mulder,                      
           Therriault,  Hanley                                                 
                                                                               
 The MOTION FAILED (3-7).                                                      
                                                                               
 Representative Grussendorf MOVED to adopt Amendment Labor-2 (copy             
 on file).  Co-Chair Therriault OBJECTED.  Representative                      
 Grussendorf noted that Amendment Labor-2 would add $75 thousand               
 dollars for Occupational Safety and Health.  He maintained that the           
 reduction would result in 100 less enforcement inspections.  He               
 emphasized that a half-million dollars in fines has been collected            
 in the last 10 years.                                                         
                                                                               
 Co-Chair Therriault acknowledged that there would be a $75 thousand           
 dollar overall general fund reduction.  He emphasized that the                
 Subcommittee tried not to jeopardize federal funds.  He stressed              
 that a portion of the leasing cost can be used to match federal               
 funds.                                                                        
                                                                               
 Representative Grussendorf maintained that programs should be                 
 considered based on their impact on Alaskans.                                 
                                                                               
 Representative Davis noted that an inspector position would be                
 lost.  He stressed that there has been an increase in activity.               
                                                                               
 A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION to adopt Labor-2.                    
                                                                               
 IN FAVOR: Davies Grussendorf, Moses                                           
 OPPOSED:  Davis, Foster, Kelly, Kohring, Martin, Mulder,                      
           Therriault,  Hanley                                                 
                                                                               
 The MOTION FAILED (3-7).                                                      
                                                                               
 DEPARTMENT OF MILITARY AND VETERANS AFFAIRS                                   
                                                                               
 Representative Foster MOVED to adopt Amendment MVA-1 (copy on                 
 file).  Amendment MVA-1 would add $191 thousand dollars to the                
 Alaska National Guard and delete the same amount from National                
 Guard retirement benefits.                                                    
                                                                               
 LARRY LA BOLLE, STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE FOSTER explained that the               
 amendment represents the additional actuarial amount that should              
 have been placed into the Veterans' Retirement Program to hold it             
 harmless and to keep from depleting the corpus of the fund.                   
                                                                               
 Co-Chair Hanley recalled that funding was added to the retirement             
 fund in the previous year to capitalize the Fund.                             
                                                                               
 CAROL CAROLL, SPECIAL ASSISTANT, DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES              
 stated that the Department is working with the Office of the                  
 Governor on legislation to resolve the problem.  The Department of            
 Military and Veterans Affairs supports Amendment MVA-1.                       
                                                                               
 Representative Foster noted that facility closures have been                  
 discussed for Fairbanks, Wasillia and Juneau.  Ms. Caroll stated              
 that when the Department first saw the $341 thousand dollar                   
 reduction, it was to the National Guard BRU.  The Department                  
 determined that if $341 thousand dollars were reduced from the                
 National Guard BRU, that facilities would be impacted.  The                   
 Department did not reduce the Air National Guard because it is so             
 highly leveraged with federal funds that one of the bases would               
 become shaky.  The Army National Guard support was the primary area           
 to take the reduction.   Facilities have a higher fixed cost for              
 operation than the discretionary amount available for maintenance.            
 The Department provided a schedule demonstrating fixed costs versus           
 maintenance costs.  At the proposed level of reduction the                    
 Department anticipates that one of the closures will have to take             
 place.  She emphasized that the amendment would benefit active                
 guard members that have jobs.  She maintained that there will be no           
 short term impact on retirees.                                                
                                                                               
 Representative Foster stated that he supports the amendment.  He              
 clarified that the amendment was at the request of the Department             
 of Military and Veterans Affairs.                                             
                                                                               
 Representative Davies questioned if the amendment would reduce the            
 unallocated reduction.  Mr. LaBolle stated that the unallocated               
 reduction would be reduced to $150 thousand dollars in the National           
 Guard Armory component.  He stressed that this is the only area               
 that is not tightly leveraged.                                                
                                                                               
 Representative Davies expressed concern that National Guard                   
 retirement benefits are being shortfunded.  Co-Chair Hanley stated            
 that legislation would solve approximately $200 thousand dollars of           
 the problem.  He added that the Governor's budget is $200 thousand            
 dollars underfunded in this item.  He noted that if the unallocated           
 reduction is applied that there will still be a $150 thousand                 
 dollar shortfall.  He observed that a $1 million dollar endowment             
 would generate approximately $120 thousand dollars a year.  He                
 spoke in support of fully endowing the fund.                                  
                                                                               
 Mr. LaBolle noted that $191 thousand dollars was transferred into             
 the retirement system.  He clarified that Amendment MVA-1 would               
 restore the Alaska National Guard Fund to the level of the                    
 Governor's budget.  He observed that there would still be a $150              
 thousand dollar reduction.                                                    
                                                                               
 There being NO OBJECTION, Amendment MVA-1 was so ordered.                     
                                                                               
 ALASKA COURT SYSTEM                                                           
                                                                               
 Representative Grussendorf MOVED to adopt Amendment Court-1 (copy             
 on file).  Co-Chair Therriault OBJECTED.  Representative                      
 Grussendorf observed that the Chief Justice of the Alaska Supreme             
 Court asked that the legislative body consider the Court as a third           
 branch of government in regards to security problems in court                 
 buildings throughout the state.  Amendment Court-1 would add                  
 $1,431,8 million dollars to the Alaska Court System.                          
 Representative Grussendorf spoke in support of the amendment.  He             
 maintained that security officers should be available to respond to           
 problems.  He emphasized that the safety of jurors and witnesses              
 should be considered.                                                         
                                                                               
 Co-Chair Therriault noted that the Alaska Court System's request              
 was reduced by the Subcommittee.  He emphasized that the additional           
 funding approved by the Subcommittee was granted in a lump sum.  He           
 stated that the Court System has the flexibility to fund this                 
 request.  He observed that the Court System could look at                     
 contractual possibilities.                                                    
                                                                               
 Representative Grussendorf stressed that caseloads have increased.            
 He maintained that the Court System has to use additional money to            
 handle increased caseload.  He cautioned that litigation could                
 occur from the under-funding of security needs.                               
                                                                               
 A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION to adopt Amendment Court-            
 1.                                                                            
                                                                               
 IN FAVOR: Davies, Grussendorf, Moses                                          
 OPPOSED:  Foster, Kelly, Martin, Therriault, Hanley                           
                                                                               
 Representatives Davis, Mulder and Kohring were absent from the                
 vote.                                                                         
                                                                               
 The MOTION FAILED (3-5).                                                      
                                                                               
 DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE                                                         
                                                                               
 Co-Chair Hanley MOVED to adopt Amendment Rev-1 (copy on file).  He            
 explained that the amendment would expand asset allocation to allow           
 the Constitutional Budget Reserve Fund (CBR) portfolio to include             
 equities.  He stated that the additional $100 thousand dollars                
 could be funded through general funds or the Constitutional Budget            
 Reserve Fund.  He noted that the additional appropriation would fit           
 within the Department of Revenue's target.                                    
                                                                               
 Representative Martin suggested that the appropriation be dedicated           
 from the CBR account.  He MOVED to AMEND Amendment Rev-1 to reflect           
 a CBR funding source.  There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.           
                                                                               
 There being NO OBJECTION, Amendment Rev-1 was adopted.                        
                                                                               
 Co-Chair Hanley MOVED to adopt Amendment Rev-2 (copy on file).  He            
 explained that the original reduction to Gaming of $198.2 thousand            
 dollars was dependent upon the passage of legislation.  He stated             
 that the restoration of $198.2 thousand dollars into Gaming and $36           
 thousand dollars into Income and Excise Audit would allow                     
 management regardless of the passage of legislation.  He observed             
 that there would still be a $300 thousand dollar reduction in                 
 Gaming.                                                                       
                                                                               
 There being NO OBJECTION, Amendment Rev-2 was adopted.                        
                                                                               
 Representative Martin MOVED to adopt Amendment Rev-3 on behalf of             
 Representative Williams (copy on file).                                       
                                                                               
 (Tape Change, HFC 97-73, Side 2)                                              
                                                                               
 Representative Williams explained that the amendment would add                
 $143,822 thousand dollars to the Department of Fish and Game,                 
 ComFish Management and Development.  He noted that the amendment              
 would fund the management of the sea urchin fisheries.  Without the           
 amendment, this fishery would not be managed.  He observed that               
 legislation has been introduced to support the fisheries in the               
 next year.  He added that the amendment will also add $50 thousand            
 dollars to the Department of Natural Resources, Forest Management             
 and Development.  He stressed that this addition would assist the             
 forest industry.  The amendment would delete $100 thousand dollars            
 from the Department of Law, Civil Division and $93,822 thousand               
 dollars from the Department of Revenue, Income Excise and Audit.              
                                                                               
 Representative Grussendorf spoke in support of the amendment.  He             
 expressed concern with the reductions.                                        
                                                                               
 WILSON CONDON, COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE stressed that              
 the decision to reduce the Income Excise and Audit Division would             
 have ramifications in years to come.  He pointed out that this                
 division generates revenue.                                                   
                                                                               
 Representative William noted that 500 hundred jobs in Southeast               
 Alaska will be protected through the amendment.                               
                                                                               
 Co-Chair Hanley clarified that there is no funding for the sea                
 urchin fishery in the Department of Fish and Game's budget.                   
                                                                               
 Representative Davies MOVED to Divide Amendment Rev-3.                        
 Representative Moses suggested that the deletion be taken from the            
 Legislative Operating Budget.  Representative Davies WITHDREW his             
 motion.                                                                       
                                                                               
 Representative Moses MOVED to AMEND Amendment Rev-3 by doubling the           
 additions and changing the funding source to the Legislative                  
 Operating Budget.  Co-Chair Therriault spoke against the amendment            
 to the amendment.                                                             
                                                                               
 A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION to adopt Amendment Rev-3             
 as amended.                                                                   
                                                                               
 IN FAVOR: Davies, Grussendorf, Moses                                          
 OPPOSED:  Davis, Foster, Kelly, Kohring, Martin, Therriault, Hanley           
                                                                               
 Representative Mulder was absent from the vote.                               
                                                                               
 The MOTION FAILED (3-7).                                                      
                                                                               
 Representative Davies MOVED to Divide Amendment Rev-3.  The motion            
 to divide would separate the vote on the additions and deletions.             
                                                                               
 A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION to divide Amendment Rev-3.           
                                                                               
 IN FAVOR: Davies, Grussendorf, Kelly, Martin, Moses                           
 OPPOSED:  Davis, Foster, Kohring, Therriault, Hanley                          
                                                                               
 Representative Mulder was absent from the vote.                               
                                                                               
 The MOTION FAILED (3-7).                                                      
                                                                               
 Representative Davis MOVED to AMEND Amendment Rev-3, by deleting              
 the reduction to the Department of Revenue and the addition to the            
 Department of Natural Resources and reduce the amount added to the            
 Department of Fish and Game to $100 thousand dollars.                         
 Representative Martin objected.  Representative Grussendorf                   
 expressed concern with the funding source.  Representative Davis              
 WITHDREW the amendment to Amendment Rev-3.                                    
                                                                               
 A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION to adopt Amendment Rev-3.            
                                                                               
 IN FAVOR: Davies, Grussendorf, Foster, Moses                                  
 OPPOSED:  Davis, Kelly, Kohring, Martin, Therriault, Hanley                   
                                                                               
 Representative Mulder was absent from the vote.                               
                                                                               
 The MOTION FAILED (4-6).                                                      
                                                                               
 Representative Grussendorf MOVED to adopt Amendment Rev-4.                    
 Representative Martin OBJECTED.  Representative Grussendorf noted             
 that the amendment would capture $476 thousand dollars in federal             
 funds to the Child Support Enforcement Division.  The general fund            
 addition would be $145.4 million dollars.  He spoke in support of             
 the amendment.  He noted that 9 positions were reduced due to                 
 vacancies.  He pointed out that 5 of these positions were vacant              
 for only 45 days.  Two positions were vacant for less than 6                  
 months.                                                                       
                                                                               
 Representative Martin maintained that the Child Support Enforcement           
 Division has been treated well by the Legislature.  He spoke in               
 support of maintaining the present level of funding.                          
                                                                               
 Representative Davies spoke in support of the amendment.  He                  
 observed that welfare reform legislation has increased the task of            
 the Child Support Enforcement Division.                                       
                                                                               
 Representative Grussendorf stressed that the amendment would aid              
 children of the state of Alaska.  He observed that collections have           
 increased.  He asserted that greater collections will help reduce             
 the welfare rolls.                                                            
                                                                               
 Representative Martin stated that collections have increased                  
 because all cases go through the Department of Revenue.                       
                                                                               
 Co-Chair Hanley summarized that the Department of Revenue's budget            
 has been reduced $45.4 thousand dollars beyond the cap set by the             
 leadership.                                                                   
                                                                               
 Representative Martin acknowledged that the caseload has increased,           
 but added that staff has increased by 200 percent.  He stated that            
 financial support from the state and federal governments have                 
 increased by 400 percent.                                                     
                                                                               
 Representative Grussendorf MOVED to AMEND Amendment Rev-4 by                  
 reducing the general fund match from $145.4 to $45.4 thousand                 
 dollars.  He noted that the federal match would be $278.7 thousand            
 dollars.  There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                        
                                                                               
 A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION to Adopt Amendment Rev-4             
 as amended.                                                                   
                                                                               
 IN FAVOR: Davies, Grussendorf, Moses, Therriault, Hanley                      
 OPPOSED:  Davis, Foster, Kohring, Martin, Mulder                              
                                                                               
 Representative Kelly abstained from the vote.                                 
                                                                               
 Representative Mulder was not present for the vote.                           
                                                                               
 The MOTION PASSED (5-4).                                                      
                                                                               
 Representative Grussendorf MOVED to adopt Amendment Rev-5 (copy on            
 file).  He clarified that the amendment would add $1.4 thousand               
 dollars in corporate receipts.  He explained that the amendment               
 would upgrade a secretary I position to an executive secretary II             
 position.  He observed that the position would accept greater                 
 responsibilities due to the elimination of the executive director's           
 position.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Representative Martin express support for the amendment.                      
                                                                               
 There being NO OBJECTION, Amendment Rev-5 was adopted as amended.             
                                                                               
 Representative Grussendorf MOVED to adopt Amendment Rev-6 (copy on            
 file).   He explained that Amendment Rev-6 would provide                      
 administrative support to the Permanent Fund Corporation investment           
 officer.  He stressed that the investment officer should be able to           
 concentrate on investment and assets of the Permanent Fund.  He               
 stated that the position should not be tied up with administrative            
 aspects of the Department.  Amendment Rev-6 would add $109.6                  
 thousand dollars in permanent fund corporate receipts.                        
                                                                               
 Representative Martin spoke against the amendment.                            
                                                                               
 (Tape Change, HFC 97-74, Side 1)                                              
                                                                               
 A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION to adopt Amendment Rev-6.            
                                                                               
 IN FAVOR: Davies, Grussendorf, Moses                                          
 OPPOSED:  Davis, Foster, Kelly, Kohring, Martin, Therriault,                  
           Hanley                                                              
                                                                               
 Representative Mulder was absent from the vote.                               
                                                                               
 Representative Grussendorf MOVED to adopt Amendment Rev-7 (copy on            
 file).  Amendment Rev-7 would add $198.2 thousand general fund                
 dollars to the Department of Revenue, Oil and Gas Audit.  The                 
 amendment would restore 5 positions that are schedule to take early           
 retirement.                                                                   
                                                                               
 Representative Martin noted that an early retirement program is               
 being instituted in the same year that there is an increase in                
 benefits. He stated that the reduction will encourage early                   
 retirement.                                                                   
                                                                               
 Representative Davies summarized that the Department announced a              
 retirement incentive program (RIP) and set some guidelines for the            
 program.  Employees volunteered to RIP.  He maintained that the               
 Subcommittee changed the terms of the program.  He asserted that              
 some of the employees may not decide to RIP.                                  
                                                                               
 A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION to adopt Amendment Rev-7.            
                                                                               
 IN FAVOR: Davies, Grussendorf, Moses                                          
 OPPOSED:  Davis, Foster, Kelly, Kohring, Martin, Therriault,                  
           Hanley                                                              
                                                                               
 Representative Mulder was absent from the vote.                               
                                                                               
 The MOTION FAILED (3-7).                                                      
                                                                               
 Representative Grussendorf WITHDREW Amendment Rev-8 (copy on file).           
                                                                               
 Representative Grussendorf MOVED to adopt Amendment Rev-9 (copy on            
 file).  Amendment Rev-9 would delete $100 thousand dollars in                 
 interagency receipts and add $100 thousand dollars in general fund            
 dollars, Department of Revenue, Administrative Support.  He                   
 observed that the appropriation would fund a study of cost                    
 allocation of interagency receipts.                                           
                                                                               
 Representative Martin noted that all agencies would benefit from              
 the study.  He observed that the study was recommended by the                 
 Legislative Budget and Audit Committee.                                       
                                                                               
 Representative Davies spoke in support of the amendment.  He                  
 suggested that the allocation of interagency receipts is too high.            
                                                                               
 A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION to adopt Amendment Rev-9.            
                                                                               
 IN FAVOR: Davies, Grussendorf, Moses                                          
 OPPOSED:  Davis, Foster, Kelly, Kohring, Martin, Therriault,                  
           Hanley                                                              
                                                                               
 Representative Mulder was absent from the vote.                               
                                                                               
 The MOTION FAILED (3-7).                                                      
                                                                               
 Representative Grussendorf MOVED to adopt Amendment Rev-10 (copy on           
 file).  Representative Martin OBJECTED.  Amendment Rev-10 would add           
 $93 thousand dollars from the Permanent Fund to restore two                   
 permanent fund dividend specialist I positions.                               
                                                                               
 Representative Martin spoke against the amendment.  He maintained             
 that appeals have been reduced.                                               
                                                                               
 Representative Grussendorf observed that there is still a backlog             
 in appeals.                                                                   
                                                                               
 Representative Martin explained that the amendment was introduced             
 in subcommittee.                                                              
                                                                               
 Representative Davis noted that the Department of Revenue supports            
 the amendment.                                                                
                                                                               
 A roll call vote was taken on the MOTION to adopt Amendment Rev-10.           
                                                                               
 IN FAVOR: Davies, Davis, Grussendorf, Moses                                   
 OPPOSED:  Foster, Kelly, Kohring, Martin, Therriault, Hanley                  
                                                                               
 Representative Mulder was absent from the vote.                               
                                                                               
 The MOTION FAILED ( 4-6).                                                     
                                                                               
 Representative Grussendorf MOVED to adopt Amendment Rev-11 (copy on           
 file).  Amendment Rev-11 would add $51 thousand dollars in mental             
 health trust program receipts to the Mental Health Trust Authority            
 for an administrative position.  Representative Martin expressed              
 support for the amendment.  There being NO OBJECTION, it was so               
 ordered.                                                                      
                                                                               
 HB 75 and HB 76 were as HELD in Committee for further                         
 consideration.                                                                
                                                                               
 ADJOURNMENT                                                                   
                                                                               
 The meeting adjourned at 4:02 p.m.                                            
                                                                               

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